Eugene Jung

@0:30 - Gabriel Flores (The Shades of Entrepreneurship)

Eugene, how are doing? Eugene, give us a... The background, introduce yourself, tell us who you are.

@1:02 - Eugene_Skaut Coffee

Yeah, so my name is Eugene Jung, living here in Portland, Oregon. And this is my second go at bootstrapping entrepreneurship at its rawest form.

But well before that, you know, I like to share the story of telling people because you know my background is creating a So, I grew up in Appalachia, Eastern Kentucky, Texas, where we were the one and only Asian family and probably three-hour radius, because I can say that because the closest Asian grocery store was Columbus, Ohio, which was three hours away.

So we always had that family trip once a month in the big suburban, picking up month-worth of Asian food supplies.

Did my whole like, you know, grade school, middle school, School high school there and then when I decided to make the jump to college, that's what I think things kind of did a turn of events from me, meaning going from small town comfortable pace of life.

And then I went to school of University Michigan and Arbor where, you know, I like to say my Chemistry 101 class, the lecture room, was bigger than my whole entire high school.

So that was a huge learning curve. I would say that was probably my first adult learning curve of how to adjust to your surroundings and the competition and the people around you from Eastern Kentucky to, mean, it's bitterly cold and bitterly hot in the day, know, a wonderful fabulous four year University in University of which I

I had a great time, but I can definitely say that was my first eye-opening experience of what, you know, being adults, kind of being light.

And then from there, I actually graduated in 2002, and that was one year after 9-11, so the job market, if you want to talk about employment, was pretty bleak at that time.

So I took another curve in life, and I actually did what not many students do. I took a gap year.

I actually went and traveled to New Zealand, Australia, South East Asia, one year because I just could not find a job at that moment.

was like, screw it, I'm going to go travel, do my own thing, backpack. And that was super cool, super fun, probably one of the best decisions I've ever done that was not career-related.

My tourist visa expired and I'm like, all right, back to reality. What am I going to do now? came back and actually did a whole job search thing which we all know, helped done and helped beating a bush basically.

And I actually landed a gig in Apple computers where I was probably one of the first Apple retail store employees as they were launching a retail division.

Yeah, so that was actually a really cool experience. This could be interesting to hear for other people, but that was the pre-ipod pre-iPhone.

This was when we actually had to try to sell computers. Where they don't even sell themselves like hotcakes now.

But back then it was like, this is the reason why you need an Apple computer. It took a lot of time and effort in convincing the Apple computers for them.

I did that for a few years. I opened up the first few stores ever for Apple retail. I helped open the Apple Soho store.

The Apple Manhattan Fifth Avenue store. did a small stint in the meatpacking district store. I've done a couple openings, worked in a crazy high-volume retail environment.

I would say that's probably my first experience in terms of selling. I had to connect with people. The training that I had to do with Apple back in that day was actually very extensive.

It was really important for them how to position the employees and aligning it with the store and aligning it with the public.

was their launch, so to say. So we actually probably had two, maybe two and a half weeks of really, really extensive training, which I still take heart today.

You know, many, many years later. And that was probably my one-on-one in terms of my career and how I pursue everything today.

But I got kind of tired of working in retail. Retail is a grind. And as we all know, New York City is a huge city for opportunity.

And one thing that's another, and I actually worked, I found a job doing legal business development and marketing. And what that means is working in a law firm.

So that many people really know, I would say, but there is a division or department in large law firms, or probably talking about, you know, higher than 200 lawyers up to maybe 2,000 lawyers.

And they have a whole department of business development market just dedicated. I on supporting the attorneys, helping develop their practice, doing all the marketing for them, getting the word out, getting their activities out.

And I did that for about 10 years in New York City, after my stint in that more retail. And that was corporate.

That was corporate through and through. You know, how, what's the best way this professional service is? I remember the first day of walking in, I'm like, all right, I am, it's suit and tie on job update number one.

And I was still like that for 10 years later. I'm still a student tie. And then, you know, kind of giving all this in a nutshell, I was like, I was tired of the rat race in New York, 10 years doing legal business development, marketing, and working in New York City.

And you know, step in the finger, 10 years has gone by. then I realized if I don't do anything or actively kind of pursue other interests, another snap in the finger, another 10 years ago by.

New York City. So that was a great timing where I took a turn where I was doing my first end of entrepreneurship.

So what that means is I had an opportunity with my brother to co-found a business that we call PIPSA Bounce, which is Portland's, I like to say, best ping pong bar restaurant.

It's a brand new concept. It was 10 years ago. I would say maybe a handful, maybe less than 10 businesses were like that in the whole country at that moment.

So it was brand new territory. And we all know bowling, we all know billiards, we all know putt putt, but there's really nothing like that in terms of ping pong.

And you know, for us, for my brother and I, we really connected because as a family growing up in Eastern Kentucky, we had a ping pong.

And we were asking ourselves, you know, why isn't that available for adults? And a really fun environment with good music, drinks, and good food.

And we put that test to the grounds. We did pop-up part of the program.-up part of program. We did did-up part program.-up part of program.

did program. did did pop part program. part the program. classes. eighth extracted one of the. First business, social pages, and Poland, Oregon, and really did guerrilla marketing from there.

Doing lot of videos, pictures, minute announcements. And got to the point where we were hosting parties. The first party would probably be maybe 20-25 people.

were like, okay, are we going to sell us into? And then before we know it, couple years later, we were hosting parties for Adidas, Nike, Whenever we hosted our own party, we would have hundreds of people throughout the day and night.

And then got to the point where we were like, okay, this is not a business that can grow if we continue doing pop-ups.

So we either doing pop-up parties or we go full-time. And that was kind of leap of faith there, where if anybody who's started a bar of revenue restaurant, there's a lot of time, a lot of money.

A lot of cursing to start a new business. And it's something that my brother has never done anything like that in either of I.

Suddenly, after all the investments, construction, everything, and here we are at day one, we are owners of a bar restaurant where we've always become customers.

I don't think I knew anybody at that time who worked or owned in a bar restaurant. So we had to relearn real fast.

And then, you know, I can talk to details later about that whole experience, but fast forward to 2020, COVID happened.

And then the whole PIPSUM bounce activity, which we had some really good momentum, suddenly just deadstop because of COVID.

And you know, I had this 450 square foot space that I certainly couldn't do anything with at a commercial kitchen that was basically sitting there empty gathering dust.

And then I was unemployed. Because I had to shut down my own business for COVID. And then somebody told me, I think it was a staff member told me that Amazon fulfillment was hiring.

And I was like, okay, I didn't never imagine myself doing that, but I just couldn't stay home and do nothing.

Because I was just so busy running my own business, and that was just my pace of life at that moment.

So I actually applied for the gig at Amazon fulfillment, and my job was being a picker. And what a picker does is basically pick items on people's orders that they've done on the phone or on the computer.

So you kind of see a real life snippet of what people were ordering at the beginning in COVID. Not that I could get paired with any other day from Amazon.

But I probably worked there for six weeks. It was grueling because, you know, Everything is on metrics so they want to measure how many items do you pick in a minute and what's your accuracy rate and everything.

And it's like 8 to 10 hour shifts, you're picking like 3000 items a day. then you go home and do it again the next day.

So it was grueling. But over time I kind of actually caught on to something where I was soon discovering I was picking most popular two categories, the most popular people were ordering at that moment.

And those two categories were pet food and coffee. And I was kind of like, okay well you know, I can kind of see that ping pong is a non-essential activity or business.

So that kind of made me think about the future of what I want to do. then when I looked at when I worked at Amazon I was like alright pet food and coffee.

If this is what people are ordering at the beginning of the biggest I have a great with my life, with a lot research on how to start a pet food company.

Within three minutes, I quickly lost interest. Not that I don't love pets, see love pets, but I have nothing to do with pet food.

Then I shipped the Guterism to Roasting Coffee, and that was super interesting. I had the space of a commercial kitchen being unused, so I actually just repurposed that kitchen as a small little hobby roasting space for myself.

So I quit Amazon just because I got tired of that gig, and that was just something to fulfill my mind, because I just had a lot of empty time.

Then I did the whole story when I did the roasting, I bought a £1 roaster, think I actually bought Amazon, which is funny to say.

To learn how to roast coffee from internet, YouTube, university, making a ton of crap coffee that I just drank for myself after one sip, I'm like, this is the most horrible coffee I've ever tried.

But, you know, it's one of those things where it's a skill and a tray that you don't learn overnight.

You kind of have to give it a lot of time, kind of get a lot of information. And it's a lot of trial and error to the point where, you know, I'm kind of jumping around here, but like as of today, three years later, I have my own dedicated full-time roasting facility.

I have my own commercial roaster. I am roasting hundreds of pounds of beans a week. most notably, we want a national roasting competition, which is probably the most competitive competition in the world.

And that is kind of the arc of my career. So, at what point did you kind of make the decision that, you know what, I'm done with the corporate world, I'm going to do entrepreneurship.

Yeah, so the answer really easy. Every organization has set up differently. The law firm organization, essentially how I viewed it and what was my experience, was every partner of the firm was my boss.

In this firm, I was working for probably had close to 400 partners. So, in essence, I had 400 bosses.

what my role was that the company is, I did a lot of proposals, which means I had to work with a lot of different

Practice groups, which means I had work with lot of different partners. And then, you know, doing 10 years of that and think towards the end of that 10 years, I was just like, I am just tired of having that many bosses all the time.

Um, me what to do and kind of expect me to know what they know. And I'm not a practicing attorney, these guys were Manhattan partners.

And I just kind of like, I just, I was like, this, I don't know why I didn't think about this sooner, but like, this was not for me.

Um, and I just kind of knew that I have something to offer. I don't know exactly what that was, but, um, you know, I had a couple of people beneath me in my department, and I just kind of enjoyed not working necessarily with them, but just helping them develop.

And helping them think how to approach this challenge and how to approach that challenge. So I think that kind of made some leadership skills, so to say.

And then, you know, I just got like the ten years of working law firm, ten years living in the city, I was like, I just need to make a change.

And a big catalyst that was like, I just can't work in environment that has somebody above me. I wanted to be my own boss.

@18:29 - Gabriel Flores (The Shades of Entrepreneurship)

Now what would you say has been kind of going thinking about your beginning of your entrepreneurial journey? Yeah. What have you found enjoyable about the process?

@18:49 - Eugene_Skaut Coffee

Entrepreneurship for me is, I think the best way to answer that is, you know, I'm not gonna lie, I have considered and I've actually pursued job opportunities throughout my entrepreneurship journey, which has been close to like 12 years now.

There's been times where business has been bad and I'm like, okay, I need to find a job, I need to find a way to support myself.

Being an entrepreneur does not mean it's rosy, not to the least bit. But then when I was kind of talking about Back into recruiters and everything, they saw my resume and my LinkedIn profile, it was interesting when they were in their perspective because their perspective was like, you need to show people that you're excellent at one thing if you want to work in corporate or back into an office job setting life.

It's like your job screams entrepreneurship, which means you wear a lot of hats. And I'm like, oh, like I...

He didn't even think like that. And I think when now looking back at it is like, I kind of don't want to do one thing.

I said if you go to job, of course you get promoted, you get different responsibilities and you learn different things like that.

I was like, I don't want to be a specialist on a thing. I really enjoy the challenge of being entrepreneur, meaning, you know, a really good product.

I'm trying to figure out how to sell this product to the masses. in my case, people who drink coffee, which there is a lot of people.

And, you know, it is an industry that's not new. It's been around forever. But at same time, I mean, there's always room for more coffee in this world and more coffee roasters.

And, you know, my enjoyment of it is really, you know, Scout Coffee Roasters. Posters did not exist three years ago.

And here I am, you know, winning competitions. People are buying and ordering every day for me. And it's really kind of seen in growth of a company.

And being part of that and leading that as opposed to just being a cog in the wheel. I think that's where I enjoy the most re-entrepreneurship, where I can actually see the results almost every day.

And then seeing it again year over years, like, oh my god, this is where we were last year compared to now, like, this is fantastic.

But it doesn't stop me. I've never really satisfied.

@21:37 - Gabriel Flores (The Shades of Entrepreneurship)

You know, entrepreneurship has some enjoyable moments, but it also has some of its challenges as well.

@21:43 - Eugene_Skaut Coffee

fact, one of the challenges you highlighted was the pandemic, right? During the pippin bounce.

@21:48 - Gabriel Flores (The Shades of Entrepreneurship)

Outside of that, what are some other difficulties or challenges that you encountered throughout your entrepreneur endeavor?

@22:01 - Eugene_Skaut Coffee

I would say number one is I don't get a paycheck every two weeks. I pay myself one I can and how I can and I find ways to discover different opportunities that I could pay myself.

It could be like another side hustle that could be related in the coffee industry or whatnot. But if one is comfortable getting that paycheck every two weeks and I admit I was that person too and then suddenly I'm going to actually pivot a little bit.

Somebody told me an entrepreneur's ship is like working 110% and getting rewarded 25%. There is no guarantee that you get paid consistently in the same overtime.

That's been a huge challenge, especially in a new business. That's number one, and I think it's very important because everyone needs to know they're going to go down this path, to prepare that you may not get paid one month, two months, six months, whoever knows, depending on how the business grows.

That was the number one, especially if you goo-dish-drap it from the ground up, like I did. Number two in terms of challenges in entrepreneurship is...

It's more of a no world than a yes world. What I mean by that is every time I pursue a

A sale, or an account, or opportunities of growth. It kind of falls in three categories. nor or you just never hear from them, maybe.

And the yuxes are much less than the way to communicate angle and better your trade as a partner, as a sales, or marketing, and celebrate those yuxes as much as you can because they're well-earned and fought for.

I would say in the very beginning, but at least in the coffee business, I've got more nose than ever before just because coffee is extremely competitive.

And I just really had to figure out what my voice is and what my brain is. And this, until now, where actually I had a call this morning with a major grocery store in Southern California, I think with like close to 30 stores or something.

And when I was doing my pitch to them, they were like, you did all this three years. And I'm like, yeah, they're like, you're talking, you're communicating, they hear pitches all the time.

like, I hear pictures of people have done this not even in 20 and 25 years. And, you know, those are the small things that I kind of celebrate that I never pat myself in the back for.

But now knowing what I do now through years later, like the yes is coming little bit more often, which is great.

I mean, I'm just getting better at what I do.

@25:50 - Gabriel Flores (The Shades of Entrepreneurship)

You know, one of things you mentioned was you found your voice, your brand identity. Yeah. How did you go about finding, how did you go about creating the skunk, the Scout Coffee brand?

The point where you're getting so many yeses.

@26:03 - Eugene_Skaut Coffee

Yes. So with any brand and identity, you need to have a little story. It's like a story telling book, small book, so to say.

when I did my research and how to do this because luckily coffee is one of the things where you can go to a grocery store and you just need to find your competition.

So I went to the grocery store and I looked at the shelves and find out all the coffee, both local and nationwide.

And for me, my personal interests outside of work is travel. I love to travel. the places that I travel are kind of a little bit off the beaten path.

Like I do a lot of motorcycling. And when I motorcycle, I kind of go to places where it's a bit remote, but beautiful, hard-

I didn't get to purposely, so it was a bit secluded and a little isolated by myself. That's where I enjoy traveling the most.

So when I saw all the bags and how people think they're bags, there were a bit abstracts or bit too, like, this coffee brand just has an item like a ship or a boat or something like that.

I wanted to share a place where it's something that's interesting that I've been to, that I can tell a little story on the back of my coffee bag.

So all my coffee names are actually places that I've been to. So for example, like Hell's Canyon, Cabot Trail, Tale of the Dragon, Shiffra Canyon.

These places are actually mostly, there's two international locations and everything else is in America, but they're not most popular.

not like the Grand Canyon or Yellowstone. These places have been probably the most memorable places for me, because I travel them for whatever reason I left out.

It was a really good impression. And then the back of the bag, I pretty much kind of tell three or four sentences about this place.

And then I match it with the profile of the coffee, the century experience that I have with the coffee that matches with the destination.

And when I tell people that they were kind of like, they love it. They just want to grab a bag and be like, wow, like, shape or candy.

I even know what it is. Oh, Southern Utah. then, if I give them the action to go to Google Maps or search what shape or candy is, that's my story that I love sharing.

And if people actually act upon that, that's the success for me.

@28:54 - Gabriel Flores (The Shades of Entrepreneurship)

What's one thing or what's something you wish you would have known before you started your entrepreneurial endeavor that you know now?

@29:07 - Eugene_Skaut Coffee

I would say you don't have to do this, but it helps a lot and relieves a lot of stress.

Having capital for sure. To relate to that PIPS and bounce, I invested a lot of my savings that I made when I was living and working in New York.

Truth be told, I had to recoup those savings from PIPS and that's been almost 10 years. And there's been couple of months where I did not pay myself payroll.

We didn't meet payroll. Applying that capital to the coffee business, it is a pretty capital intensive. The business from the get-go, you have to have a commercial roster that is more expensive than luxury SUV cars.

the road, it can be up to hundreds of thousands of dollars depending on how big you get. And not only that, but you have to buy inventory.

inventory is thousands of dollars to sitting on the shelves until you need to start roasting it. So it's a lot of upfront costs before you even make that first sale.

Scalp coffee, I bootstrapped it. And it was painful growth, going from one pound roster to an 11 pound roster that's commercially rated now, so I can do for consistency.

That took a punch and a chin to pay for that, essentially. And then finding everything else that makes it work in terms of operating a car roster sub-car.

Capital for sure. Number two, I would say, what do I know now? Or what do know that I wish I knew back then?

I would say, you know, just... there's never... it's not an equation. Business is not an equation. A plus B does not equal C in the world of business.

You know, when you think of coffee, you can very think of it. Simply is you get a bean, you roast it, and then you drink it.

But, you know, I had different... I found ways where like, okay, like grocery store, yeah, a lot of people buy coffee grocery store, but there's other ways that are actually, you know, very lucrative, like, the whole gift market.

Like, I didn't know gifting products in the gift market was so huge, just because I have a voice that's been a consumer.

But like, people love gifting, especially in the whole It's season, I'm like, oh... I should have known that from the Apple days, where buying computers at that time is like, again, like, hotcakes and also gifting.

Coffee is so easy to gift. I never thought of that. I never thought of coffee being a gifting product.

was one thing. I was like, I need to jump on this at this time of the year because it sales.

Then I actually never thought of in terms of volume. I've always been kind of a single cup crinker maybe a couple times a day.

But now being on the other side, my clients are multi-unit, multi-office, co-working spaces. Oregon and in California also in Washington.

My thought is like, okay, this business has up to 200 people. I need to find a way to get my coffee in front of 200 people and find, you know, give...

Then the all-in-one solution of my coffee, with equipment, my knowledge, and everything. So, you know, it goes well beyond what I think what coffee is.

And that, I didn't know until I actually got into the business, you know? So, I would say, you know, definitely a business-not-an-equation.

It's always different ways to explore it.

@33:28 - Gabriel Flores (The Shades of Entrepreneurship)

Where, as we begin to explore, where is Scout Coffee in 5-10 years?

@33:34 - Eugene_Skaut Coffee

Gaha! So, my, so I've been business for 3 years. So, if I've been to business for 5-10 years later, I have a goal, and you know, are all kind of simply goals, but I think they're still relevant, is I have really two good friends.

Good move to Arizona. And I haven't even told them, so, you know, if they listen to this podcast, it would be like, oh my gosh!

I want my coffee to be at their local grocery store shelf. I want them to come into the aisle in, I think, Tucson, Arizona or somewhere around there.

Be like, oh my God, this is Eugene's coffee. How did it get from Oregon to Arizona? And that's of my secret five-year goal.

Maybe I can actually achieve that a little bit sooner. But that's kind stupid when I think about it, but I think it also feels really relevant.

geographical footprint is expanded well beyond just the local state area. I know it takes a lot of work and a lot of luck and timing, but people do it.

It's been done before. It's not rocket science. I would love to have my friends just shoot me that text message or photos like your coffee and her local grocery store.

So I would love to give those little surprises that people who I know on a personal level and then they see my product that we roast here no matter where they are in America.

That's my general 5-10 year goal. If I can achieve that because I know people all over the States, then I think I'm doing pretty decent job.

I like it.

@35:36 - Gabriel Flores (The Shades of Entrepreneurship)

So 10 years, you've been doing Pips and Bounce the last 2 years or so you've been doing Scout. What advice do you have for aspiring entrepreneurs?

@35:45 - Eugene_Skaut Coffee

I would say, number 1, get ready for a I like waking up every morning and knowing that there's still a huge challenge in front of me every day.

I know that over time, those challenges will be, you know, meds and achieved, but it's the building that I every day to get to that point.

I did not feel that when I was not working on my own business. I wake up and be one of the slow days you go to work and then you clock out of work and you just don't think about it.

For me, and this is a good and bad thing, it's almost all encompassing. Even when I'm on vacation and I was in Europe, on vacation and I'm like, alright, I want to find a local coffee.

Coffee Roaster. And just try their beings on a different place, you know, on earth. And, you know, it's almost all encompassing and I'm sure if Father is the people around me, I hope it doesn't have too much.

But it's really something that enjoy, you know, and actually one piece of advice I tell, actually, other people is, if you have an idea, as an entrepreneur, of Entrepreneurs, if you have an idea, I always say that think about it for at least a couple of weeks, at a minimum.

And if that idea is still front and center in your mind after that course of time, then you have something.

Now, if that idea just completely disappears, you don't even think about it, it's not in your head anymore, then it's good you did not pursue that.

Because then if you did, you might I just hate your life.

@38:02 - Gabriel Flores (The Shades of Entrepreneurship)

That's a great point because I think that's the difference between a career and a job, right?

@38:09 - Eugene_Skaut Coffee

find it that passion.

@38:10 - Gabriel Flores (The Shades of Entrepreneurship)

It's something to do when you're passionate about. What are the folks that are interested in learning more about Eugene?

want to find your coffee.

@38:18 - Eugene_Skaut Coffee

How can they find you online? Where can they find the coffee in stores? Sure. So online, have a whole ecommerce page that people can order like anything else.

The website, is scout-hoffyroasters.com and Scout is actually spelled S-K-A-U-T. It's a little play-off words. We have all our products there.

I actively also social media. You can find us on Instagram and Facebook, not on X formerly known as Twitter.

In terms of grocery stores in the Portland area, we're in the market of choice, world market. It's a beast.

Many people who don't know. It is the world of distribution. is an uphill world. You've got your distributors who on top of the hill.

You've got all of us trying to work with them and get up there. And I am probably spending most of my time, actually, this whole entire year, how to figure that out.

And, like I said, I actually had a conversation today that sounds very promising. In Southern California, that was well beyond the geographical means that I thought I would be at this point, but Southern California or Florida doesn't matter as long as people drink coffee, then there's a demand.

So I have kind of have my targets of what stores and locations I'd be in, but like anything else in the world of entrepreneurship, so if there's another opportunity to rise somewhere else, then if it works, then it works.

pursue it. Another thing I've also been kind of at Delta launch is I'm trying to put together an all-in-one solution for not only for my coffee that is award-winning, but also pairing up with some really high-end premium coffee brewing machines, also known as like super automatic espresso machines, or as one of those fancy LCDs, one touch display.

Yeah, yeah, they're great. One of the most common questions people ask me is, where's your coffee shop? I'm not sure if people know, but there are plenty of coffee shops here in Portland, Oregon.

I personally don't think another coffee shop is needed in this city. I'm not, yes. At the moment I see it right now, my kind of pursuit is, let me partner up with a coffee machine, like what I'm talking about.

I might as well just say it's Jura, spelled J-U-R-A. They're kind of a premium coffee brewing machine. And really kind of aim slash offices, home.

Just because in the post-COVID world I think more people make coffee home more now than ever. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that,

Habit is probably more or less here to stay, I think. People can enjoy fantastic coffee at home. They don't really have to go out and really pay for the coffee and do all that jazz pre-COVID, so to say.

I think the changes happen and I really want to get coffee at people's home and for offices. So that is a new thing about the launch that I think is pretty exciting.

I've used it many times over on a personal level and I'm like, yeah, this completely makes sense. don't know why I need to go through drive-through some art just to get coffee, that is not that great.

So that's an interesting development. We're still working to better our trade and still compete in competitions. That's one thing that we pride ourselves on, so we're always trying to

The better are still in trade. I've learned crossing over from being a customer, a copy, now a roaster. There's just so much to learn.

I've only done this three years. I speak to my colleagues who've been doing this for 10, 15 years, I'm like, oh my God.

The amount of knowledge that they have is just far exceeded what I know. They're like, yeah, I've been doing this for 10, 15 years, but they're like, you've done this for three years.

You're doing a pretty good Bingham job, but I just feel like I still have so much to learn, which means it just betters the product, betters the business.

I like to think there is a lot of room for recruitment just beyond what's happening buying a bag of coffee at a store.

@43:55 - Gabriel Flores (The Shades of Entrepreneurship)

Yeah, that's very true.

@43:57 - Eugene_Skaut Coffee

Again, folks, that is Scout Coffee Roasters. And if you forget any of this information, this is a great time to plug the Shades of Entrepreneurship podcast or the newsletter.

@44:07 - Gabriel Flores (The Shades of Entrepreneurship)

You can actually subscribe to the newsletter at theshadesofe.com. We will have Eugene's information on there the week before the episode airs, the week the episode airs and the week after.

We will also have an individual webpage for Eugene and this episode with the transcription of our conversation on theshadesofe.com.

So again, if you forgot every theme we said, you can actually go back and read it. Eugene, thank you again so much for being on the show.

I really do appreciate it. So folks listening, I also am not on the X, but you can follow me on Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn and TikTok.

I have been some great and some real. So please go check those out with a YouTube channel coming shortly.

Eugene, is there anything else you'd like to say before we let the audience go today?

@44:49 - Eugene_Skaut Coffee

Ah, Gabrielle, would say thanks for the opportunity to talk.

@44:52 - Gabriel Flores (The Shades of Entrepreneurship)

know, entrepreneurs love to talk about themselves.

@44:58 - Eugene_Skaut Coffee

So I hope I did it. He did great.

@45:29 - Gabriel Flores (The Shades of Entrepreneurship)

Again, folks, go ahead and follow at theshadesofe.com. Thank you and have a great night.